Google’s Upcoming Algorithm Change: “Overly-Optimized Sites”
This past week at SXSW, Google’s Matt Cutts talked about an upcoming “over-optimization” algorithm launch aimed at those who abuse search engine optimization. Rob Snell transcribed the session, which included these comments from Matt (I’ve updated this article to include fuller comments from the transcript):
“The idea is basically to try and level the playing ground a little bit. So all those people who have sort of been doing, for lack of a better word, “over optimization” or “overly” doing their SEO, compared to the people who are just making great content and trying to make a fantastic site, we want to sort of make that playing field a little bit more level.
So that’s the sort of thing where we try to make the Google Bot smarter, we try to make our relevance more adaptive so that people don’t do SEO—we handle that—and then we also start to look at the people who sort of abuse it, whether they throw too many keywords on the page, or whatever they exchange way too many links, or whatever they are doing to sort of go beyond what a normal person would expect in a particular area. So that is something where we continue to pay attention and we continue to work on it, and it is an active area where we’ve got several engineers on my team working on that right now…”
[And later after talking about the positives of SEO] “Absolutely there are some people who take it too far. What we’re mindful of is when someone says, “We’re White Hat. We continue to do the right thing, and we see the Black Hats who are over optimizing or going too far, and they seem to be doing too well.” So we’ve been working on changes to try to make sure that if you are a White Hat or if you’ve been doing very little SEO that you are going to not be affected by this change. But if you’ve been going way far beyond the pale, then that’s the sort of thing where your site might not rank as highly as it did before.”
A lot of people have asked me what this means for those who include search engine optimization as part of their marketing mix. Some are worried that Google will begin to penalize sites that have implemented search engine optimization techniques. My thoughts? I think that some site owners should worry. But whether or not you should depends on what you mean by search engine optimization.
AS I’ve talked about and written about over and over (notably in my book and most recently in my article about Clay Johnson‘s talk about SEO killing America), SEO means lots of different things to lots of different people. When I talk and write about SEO and when we work with clients here at Nine By Blue, I mean:
- Using search data to better understand your audience and solve their problems (by creating compelling, high-quality content about relevant topics to your business)
- Understanding how search engine crawl and index sites and ensuring that your site’s technical infrastructure can be comprehensively crawled and indexed
But the definition of SEO is a continuum. Some of it is clearly spam. But there’s a gray area of SEO that’s not exactly spam, but it’s really not those two bullets above either.
For instance, I’ll look at a page and see a bunch of keyword-rich links in the footer. “Does anyone click on those?” I might ask. “Nah, those are just there for search engines”. I go to conferences and hear people debating keyword density percentages, how many times a keyword should be repeated in a title tag, how to get links that “appear” natural. At some point, search engine optimization goes beyond making sure pages are as useful as possible for the target audience and that the site is crawlable and becomes a game of guess the algorithms.
Anyone who’s read or heard me before knows that I’m not an advocate for algorithm chasing. Historically, I’ve had this view because I don’t find it productive. Algorithms change hundreds of times a year. Signals differ for individual queries. The goal is always to extract all of the data on the web and show the very best page for searchers. So why not just invest time in making sure all of your content is extractable and are in fact the very best pages?
Now, there’s another reason to follow this strategy.
The type of algorithm changes Matt talked about in this SXSW session remind me a bit of how Google described the Panda algorithm. Panda wasn’t about spam. It was about separating high-quality, useful pages from pages that were just a collection of words about a particular topic. This seems similar, like yet another way of discerning that. At one point in the session, Matt said:
“We’re always trying to best approximate if a user lands on a page, are they going to be really, really happy instead of really, really annoyed? And if it’s the sort of thing where they land on a page and they are going to be annoyed, then that is the sort of thing that we’ll take action on.”
Matt talked about finding ways to surface smaller sites that may be poorly optimized, if, in fact, those sites have the very best content. This is not anything new from Google. They’ve always had a goal to rank the very best content, regardless of how well optimized or not it may be. And I think that’s the key. If a page is the very best result for a searcher, Google wants to rank it even if the site owner has never heard of title tags. And Google wants to rank it if the site owner has crafted the very best title tag possible. The importance there is that it’s the very best result.
Matt talked about this later:
“We tell people over and over again, “Make a compelling site. Make a site that’s useful. Make a site that’s interesting. Make a site that’s relevant to people’s interests… all of the changes we make, over 500 a year, are designed to try to approximate if a user lands on that page, just how happy are they going to be with what they get? So if you keep that in mind, then you should be in good shape no matter what.”
He also mentioned making Googlebot smarter, which is more an evolution of what they’ve been working on for years: being able to extract content from JavaScript, AJAX, Flash, images, forms… We’ve seen this in the last year with smarter handling of paginated content, for instance. (I wrote about the pagination tags Google supports here, but my post was based on a Google video and blog post where Maile Ohye mentions that if you don’t implement the tags, Google will use patterns from your site to try and create paginated clusters for you.)
Another thing to keep in mind about how Matt described this upcoming change is that he wasn’t speaking at a search conference. The audience was at least in part non-SEOs. He introduced himself as the person in charge of catching those who try to cheat Google. He was talking to people who (based especially on the question that triggered Matt’s comments) were coming from the perspective of thinking of the type of SEO that’s really about reverse engineering algorithms.
Matt first talked about the benefits of SEO. He said to think of SEO like a coach who helps to present yourself better. He said that Google wants to level the playing field so that all content has a chance to compete equally. And when he talked about the kinds of techniques that this algorithm would look for he said they were looking for abuse: too many keywords, too many link exchanges. He contrasted what the algorithm was looking to flag to “great content”.
In particular, Matt said the following in support of SEO:
“The way that I often think about SEO is that it’s like a coach. It’s someone who helps you figure out how to present yourself better. In an ideal world, though, you wouldn’t have to think about presenting yourself and whether search engines can crawl your website. Because they’d just be so good that they can figure out how to call through the Flash, how to crawl through the forums, how to crawl through the JavaScript, how to crawl through whatever it is…
A lot of people seem to think that Google hates SEO. That’s definitely not the case…
We even made a video about this. If you do a search for webmaster videos, we’ve made something like 400 videos. And we made one specifically to say Google does not hate SEO, because SEO can often be very helpful. It can make a site more crawlable. It can make a site more accessible. It can think about the words that users are going to type whenever they come to a search engine and make sure that those words are on the page, which just makes the site more user-friendly.
So the same sorts of things you do to optimize your return on investment and how well something spreads virally or socially is the exact same sort of stuff that often works well from a search engine perspective. So there is a ton of stuff that is fantastic to do as an SEO, it just makes your content more crawlable and more accessible.“
This isn’t the oft-heralded death of SEO. But it may be the first nail in the coffin of those who go beyond SEO and lose track of creating the best possible content for their audiences.


“This isn’t the oft-heralded death of SEO. But it may be the first nail in the coffin of those who go beyond SEO and lose track of creating the best possible content for their audiences.”
Thanks for saying it Vanessa! I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, I’ve been more than a little disappointed that this same partial transcript of the conversation at SXSW is all that keeps doing the rounds when it really missed the important point
For those who take the time to listen to the entire audio recording, there is actually the Aha! moment. The moment when Matt says in so many words that this is a result of people in the white hat world calling Google out for allowing “people who take it too far” to be rewarded.
This direct quote from the audio recording says it all:
“we’ve been working on changes to try to make sure that if you’re a white hat, or if you’ve been doing very little SEO, that you’re gonna not be affected by this change, but if you’ve been going way far beyond the pale, then that’s the sort of thing where your site might not rank as highly as it did before.”
As I see it, the only real concern here is how long it is going to take for Google to get it right. As we’ve seen with Panda there may be a lot of tweaking and more than a little pain, but at the end of the day Matt was announcing that Google is finally acting on the messages we have been sending
Sha
Good point about Matt’s further comments.
I hope it Will make google’s algo more user friendly than Link dependant…
Panda wasn’t about spam… yep, agree with that Vanessa. Be the best that you can be and let the chips fall where they may.
Good Article. In my point of view I think we can only reach to a conclusion in about 3 months when we see the changes in our sites SERP´s in Google. Only then we will have a clear view what it actually change.
However I do think SEO will become a more white area……
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Over optimisation penalties have existed for a while now, Google goes on and on about introducing this and that but to be honest none of it seems to materialize. Didn’t they say that they were going to build a tool to fight paid links?
They did build that tool, I believe. There’s lots of things going on internally at Google that may not be immediately apparent from the outside.
Agreed. Google says a lot that doesn’t necessarily materialize. Black hat SEO is still remarkably and incredibly effective.
Alright! I’m little confused… What Google wants is to kill best SEO practice like On page optimization, on Site optimization and just want to deliver quality results.. Alright! Make sense and looks like a good idea..But how they going to do it….
They going to consider link signals..when a quality site links to another new site..Will it become a quality site instantly…. When many people +1 a content will it become a quality article?? (Social signal)…
Suppose I’m a loner and have no friend in circle…and I search for something and I get crap results from big quality sites..Why crap…because results are irrelevant…. Post quality is great on those quality site..but that’s not what I’m looking for…!!
Post panda world things has changed from a Blogger perspective and so is from a searcher perspective…
I’m very happy to see less spam results and more HQ results….but honestly I’m bombarded with results from only HQ sites..which is not even relevant to my query..!! Just because someone from my circle +1 that or there is a matching keyword to my search query..!!
Well, I really feel Google should probably put some more guidelines for SEO instead of just quality content…Else how we will get another mashable or Searchengineland……
Killing over optimized SEO sites make sense..but Hey Mr. Google could you please be more specific on that.. Did you just pointing out those people who have been playing with Keyword density, Buying backlinks…and all those are of SEO which is call Black hat…..or may be grey hat..
Or are you talking about Bloggers like us who have been working on basic SEO guidelines which we call white hat SEO…where we genuinely write quality post…work on optimization ..so that not so smart search engine bot (Machine) can understand and show that post for best matching query….or when we genuinely guest post on other websites to get genuine links and more readers to improve search engine visibility and social visibility…!!
Well, I’m sure this is just not me but many others might be in dilemma and waiting for this next big update…..As it is Panda ruined many business.. Don’t want to see it happening again…
Harsh, you’re going to be fine, dude.
You work super hard at what you do, and while I know you work the edge, you’re just as capable of amping up on any other aspect as well.
You’re smart. Go deep on something as well as wide. Expect an email from me shortly.
Please Vanessa, could you change the blue used for links and Hover it’s really not facilitating the reading and would be misinterpreted by search bots as hidden content
thanks for your explanation I agree SEO must be a leverage to explain search engines what we talk about instead of focusing on ranking ….
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Thanks Vanessa, this is some of the better coverage I’ve seen about the buzz of this latest announcement.
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hmmm, so now what do i tell that client who insists on creating pages upon pages of crap and regurgitated links?
Vanessa said, “We even made a video about this. If you do a search for webmaster videos, we’ve made something like 400 videos. And we made one specifically to say Google does not hate SEO, because SEO can often be very helpful.”
I searched for webmaster videos. There are no search results when the word ‘hate’ in in the quires. I did find this video by Matt Cutts: Does Google consider SEO to be spam?
http://youtu.be/BS75vhGO-kk
Vanessa, would that be the video you are referring to?
Thanks,
John
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This was really a great move by google algo,now over optimized,copied and low content sites will be kicked out from the game.Thanks for share this info
Sounds interesting, this kind of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in data processing is really required that helps to bring out real quality content and not just search engine optimized quality content…Let’s see the SERP dances
Great post Vanessa. In the 8 years I’ve been building and optimising websites – over optimising a website has NEVER been a good idea! Build the site for your customers – design the page for your target audience (with some good seo tactics) and Google will always look after you and more importantly your visitors will also be happy
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I think it would not be that bad….. People are spamming the web to get high ranking and they are hard to beat in serp due to number of backlinks they have. After the change it will be easy to knock them off. Though I would not say I donot build links myself, I at least donot spam.
Thanks for an excellent article. Google literally took the wind out of my sails for about five months when the did the Panda update. I lost two thirds of my traffic on a very informative website that I created by publishing thirty years of experience in the kitchen cabinet industry. I am a professional in my field and Google just threw two thirds of my expertise in the Internet trash can. It was very disheartening.
Perhaps this new change will cause Goolge to smile on my content a little more and I will be rewarded for not being an over optimizer.
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Hey Vanessa Good Post! I am really hoping someone out there will shed some direct sunlight on what over optimization can be. I know that your link profile is probably the best tell tale signal we have currently. The whole buzz about exact match anchor text links has been know for awhile now. But I am hoping the over optimization penalty affects those massive link spammers out there. I am so sick of getting automated blog comments or seeing automated forum posts.
On the other side of the coin I hope someone can figure out some of the onpage over optimization penalties that might be coming. I currently have a boss who believes Keyword Density should be somewhere between 3-6%. While I complain and disagree, in the end she is the boss so I do as I am told. But i have a feeling those overly dense pages are going to take a big hit.
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“But it may be the first nail in the coffin of those who go beyond SEO and lose track of creating the best possible content for their audiences.”
And a long time time in coming and way overdue.
P.S. After the advances we’ve seen in machine based natural language understanding and a state-of-the-art A.I.-based algorithm’s ability to pull the ‘correct’ or best answer out of a semantically related set of other answers (a BIG set, by the way) — I’m talking about IMB’s Jeopardy winning “Watson” — we can expect Google’s machines to get smarter at an accelerating rate.
oh boy this is not good, ive done some much seo….now i gotta re correct things….sounds like imma have a busy year ahead….lol
Seems to me that Google wants to force all commercial content out of the results page and into the AdSense sidebar. A web where all the content is in the search results and all (paid) commercial intent is in AdSense… what a wonderful world for Google will that be? Have you notice it that the same happens everywhere in real life? Businesses with more money advertise in better places and more often than small local businesses, same with politics. Can a company play with market corrections and place everyone at the same level? Then who gets the advantage? Whoever pays more to Google for Ads? Pass more of that Kool-Aid please.
I have always done my own SEO, after of course, studying up for many years. While I don’t have a lot of insight and experience that many SEO professionals might have, it always seemed logical to me that I follow the mantra “content is king”. I have heard all the recommendations from all the so-called experts. But I try to keep our site fresh, current and concise while delivering the necessary information without being redundant and repetitious. There is a fine line between quality and SEO … do you appease the search engines and get great rankings? Or do you appease your audience and get more clients? I opt for quality over everything else, and it appears to me that Google’s approach might just help me. It certainly doesn’t seem like it will hurt any!
I like the fact that Google is going after the “over-optimizers”, however I am concerned that individual site owners may be unwittingly over optimizing the content they submit without even realizing it and could be penalized. Without any public guidelines that indicate ratios and thresholds for over-optimization for article, blog, website submissions, etc. I am concerned that sites may be unfairly penalized.
Did I say over-optimization too much?
Three comments, please:
1. About the design of this blog, could you please make the link colour a little darker? They were too bright for my taste.
2. About the article, it was good. But many web owners will think something like… “OK, then how am I going to have people visit my site if I will be penalized if I over optimize”; which takes me to the next question:
3. What can webmasters do if they have been a bit obsessed with SEO for years just because a fall of one position in a certain raking key word would mean losing hundreds of dollars a day? What can they do to prevent being penalized once or after this penalization comes “in force”?
We keep jumping through whoops for these guys. They want us to promote their Google Plus. They want us to make websites easy to crawl, but when you follow guide lines from a couple of years ago maybe today it is changed and hurts more than helps. How about all the stuff with FaceBook – adding streams, building landing pages and then they break them or change the rules.
And somehow we’re all suppose to have wonderful content when we’re just building stores that sell products. This just isn’t very fun anymore.
Wow yes, I have been using a site for 14 years that has minimal Javascript on purpose. I wanted to maximize readable content. I knew, someday, I would have to “get ugly” to please Google.
Its like going back to Alta Vista. Counting keyword density all over again!
Bravo to Google!!!! It is about time. I see so many sites writing for search engines and not for people. I tell all my clients that they need to create compelling content, have a site that is clear, fresh and digestible in 5 seconds. It is not fair when us true SEO professionals assist in building a website that is beautiful, clear, concise and has proper structure yet crappy sites with obvious black hat techniques are ranking above it.
I tell my clients, I will not optimize their site unless it has a true call to action and is not spammy looking. Unfortunately, they go with a third world SEO company that is looking to take their money and cares little about a great compelling website.
I think the only people who will not like this change are those use improper SEO practices.
Thank You Google and thank you Matt Cutts
Alex
PR Underground.com
These kind of updates are very important for Google to retain its supermacy in Search Engines World. Looking forward to remove all black hat websites..
While optimising sites for my clients, I helped with content, while getting keywords into the meta tags. The sites were user friendly and were about the keywords. They were relevant. They had compelling content, were clear, fresh and the viewer would know they were in the right place after their search in seconds. Google didn’t rank them well. So get in there and tweak, add keywords. The language got a bit stilted. Add a few text links (that no-one will use). And Google rewards it with Page 1 ranking. These are commercial sites, predominantly. They are meant to make a profit. Google forces us to “over-optimise” in order to get what WERE high quality sites, and degrade then to get the rankings they should have. The artistic oy in making a “compelling” site is great, but it doesn’t put food on the table. What a good SEO does is to help his clients get fed. Google makes the rules, we just follow. And we will with this change, too.
Imagine an internet where only the best content winns. Then instead of investing soo much money in linkbuilding, SEOs would invest in great content. But I think there is a limit to how usefull content for a specific topic can be. So at some point you will have a lot of great content for a lot of money terms. How will google decide which page should rank first then?
At the same time different people might prefer different ways of presentation. Some might prefer extensive texts, some prefer overview tables and others confusing infographics (I’m no fan of those).
Great news Matt all i need to do to win now is buy thousands of links for my competiters and ill raise to the top cos ive made them look over optimised easy win . Fail
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I know from the history of my own inventiveness that you need to wear an aluminium or (better) lead skull cap whenever you are working on a good idea. No sooner do I introduce one of my good ideas than someone out of left field starts spruiking they’ve got the exact same product at half my price or worse… set out to discredit me and my product in the one sentence from an anonymous sender.
Apply this theory to SEO and tell me when you get a site at the top of the heap, someone isn’t watching like a vulture on the fence waiting to discover how you did it and copy your methods. Take for example the questionably practice of creating hundreds of directories in various countries into which you put almost useless information and all your clients. Did Panda do anything about this? DO Google actually care? Of course not because it would kill the goose who laid their golden egg.
Invention is the mother of necessity. Instead of following blindly the instructions and suggestions I’ve wasted way too much time reading… I found my own inventiveness to be the best SEO tool I have. Don’t ask me to share it. I don’t make a living from telling people how to SEO their sites and selling them software that may or may not be helpful. My living is made from the work I do, some of which comes from the ‘net but most still comes from traditional methods abandoned by those who believe the ‘net is the answer to every sales issue they’ll ever have.
The reason for this drawn out reply is to point out that absolutely nothing is going to succeed for everyone. There is only one space at the top of the page and if you get it, the chance of hanging on to it is like the chance your next lottery ticket will be a winner. When there are too many people trying to sell too much stuff to too few buyers, ranking your site is not going to make you any more competitive than standing on the street corner in a sandwich board.
I like the way this article was put together. I enjoyed the references to past events and recognition that maybe there ought to be a “grey hat” description without actually saying it. Maybe I’m a bit thick headed when I read stuff like this but was there a message in the article or was it intended to get people’s attention? Well you’ve got mine. At least until your next post…
DMcD.
I’m getting bored of reading blog and forum posts by people calling themselves SEOs complaining about Google’s aggressive post-Panda stance. Most of the people complaining about their sites being penalised are people whose whole business model is based on them leeching off Google.
They create poor quality sites with poor quality content (often syndicated or spun by article spinning software) and they build backlinks through a network or other poor quality sites that no human being would ever look at. They are trying to game the system so they can attract eyeballs to their affiliate ads and earn money from Google or other affiliate schemes where the customers would actually have preferred to be referred to the official sites.
People who leech off the system are no more professional SEO people than a sports pundit should be picked to play for the team.
True SEO is about making sure quality sites are built correct to be found by the people that will appreciate them. The means real content, real backlink building by real people making choices.
Also, a reply to Mark Oliver, above, who said, “you follow guide lines from a couple of years ago maybe today it is changed and hurts more than helps”. Google has never changed its guidelines, only the algorithm.
Google’s intention has always been to show quality content to people who expect quality content and quality information or news to people who look for quality information or news. Google’s view on bad backlinks, SEO spam and article spinning has always been the same. If the end result is crap, it doesn’t deserve to be promoted above good content. It’s only that now they are getting better at achieving that.
Great article and summary. I think this change could make a dramatic different to search results, and hopefully will re-focus people on creating great content.
This “over-optimization” penalty sounds good for search result quality, but i don’t think Google can do this really. What if a “good content” site is on first place with only a few backlinks and some bad guys are flooding this page with tons of bad links? Whoops, Google will penaltize it cause of over-optimization?
I think the overall lesson here is don’t depend on Google-oriented SEO as your sole marketing method. As someone else mentioned, Facebook is now a strong competitor for people’s eyeballs, and could prove to be an even better (than Google) marketing/advertising venue for some. Also from what I come across in the industry news, email newsletters are still the best way to turn prospects into customers and keep customers coming back.
That is the most stupid move Google has ever done.
It is easy to detect good content and bad content in the extreme cases (great blogger versus automated content farm, elsewhere, what is quality? there is no such a thing and cannot be definded by algo or user generated based machine.
Only factor (which can be easily manifulated) is counting page views, time on site etc but again it is changing based on site function which is a factor of keyword. Information related keywords are different functionalty than actual brands where people actually buy stuff comparing to sites users get information.
So google will give penalty for clean and seo friendly sites and i guess sites which is easy to detect building unatural links but it wont change much the seo, they will simply build links more “naturely” which is a joke, only change in tactic.
Google once penalzied one of my sites which had amazing content, true tousands of genuine likes and twit followers and it had an amazing conversion rates. This is at my taste, the best measure for a good site. If people find the info useful and actually buy, this site should be ranked well better than other sites that people vote no with their wallets.
Googlers dont have that info despite the fact they are starting to be affiliates themselves in some niche such as traveling.
SEO is no longer an art-form… Google flips the switch all too often, leaving you to have to scramble and fix all your sites in fear that you will be taken out of the SERP’s.
Of course, this change will not apply to large brands, naturally.
Does this mean links are less important than content?
Should I stop guest-posting my well-written original content articles to get links and, instead, put those well-written original content articles on my website to get great content?
Over-optimization is kind of a sticky situation. Are EMD’s over-optimized from the start? What if they have solid content and domain age? What if they have a handful of popular articles that have received the majority of their links? There are a lot of variables to consider, and we know that can’t human review every site… so here’s what its all going to come back to – backlinks and content on a page, plain and simple. That’s the only way Google will really be able to notice something’s “over optimized”, I’m afraid. And some sites will definitely be wrongly grouped in… hopefully Google maintains their previous stances of making the missteps right. As opposed to a site like Facebook which just waits for people to get used to the changes they make which nobody wants.
Just one more hoop we are suppose to jump through. The rules of SEO is always changing. Just wait, in a short amount of time it will be something else. You gotta love Google.
I always think as “SEO” that the most important factor to rank higher is the common sense, I mean, you only focus from the beginning must be the costumer experience and not Google, offering what you have it, give them (costumers) most product’s details (unique content) as possible you can, Eye catching design, That’s all.
Time investment efforts
FOCUS on Costumers (visitors) 90%
SEO 10%
It doesn’t matter if Google create a new Panda, Cheetah, Pantor, Skeletor sorry I love He-man and Thundercats, you will be fine if you focus on the costumer experience. The bottom line is to make money right.
BTW. there are many online business that don’t appears within the first 10 page on Google but they are making a lot of money too. Don’t asked for examples please,this is just a relief.
Cheers.
Nobody really cares about Google anymore or their everyday algo changes.
> At some point, search engine optimization goes beyond making sure pages are as useful as possible for the target audience and that the site is crawlable and becomes a game of guess the algorithms.
Indeed. For some SEO is not a marketing channel.
It really just seems like delivering an honest response to a searchers request. That’s not asking too much!
–Jay Snow, Marketing Manager, MTI Systems, developer of Costimator, cost estimating software for manufacturing.
Http://www.costimator.com
I like what they are trying to do, because too much junk has crawled into the SERPs recently – my level of trust has seriously degraded as a normal user. My “skeptical” radar flies up when I see an EMD. It would seem the penalty will be solely “on page” based, as this is something webmasters CAN control – the more I think about it the more I’m sure they wouldn’t be dumb enough to introduce an “off page” penalty. There are a LOT of unsavory characters that wouldn’t hesitate to take out their competitors by aiming a barrage of “dirty links” at them if it were the case.
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I suspect the over-optimized thing is more about having keywords linked to various places on your own site, and the likes of such things. Many people use plugins to do this and the link saturation is sickening. But we have been seeing less and less of those kinds of sites which may be because of such algorithms or might also be that those same sites were also hit by Panda for other reasons. Whatever the case, I’m glad they aren’t saturating the search results anymore.
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Thanks from Dresden/germany for your abstract and position. I farther think, not the googlebot become more smarter, but google itself. I welcome the new update and look forward it
I spend a lot of time doing research online and I can’t say I’m a happier Google user for all the algorithm changes done this past year. And I still see crap sites that are ranking better than great sites. I even have some crap sites that are part of blog networks that are outranking my “real” sites with all my good content! Go figure!
So as far as I’m concerned all this talk about providing a better user experience is a nice theory, but I’m still waiting for it to become a reality.
from starting 2011 google already planned to roll so many changes updates (PANDA) to make their googlebot more quality proof and provide extremely relevant data to the users..thanks for such a nice article
I do some optimizing, but I don’t think it would be considered over optimization. I really don’t know though. I am just going to keep doing what I have been doing in the meantime. I know there is a lot of talk about this update going around. It should be interesting to see what happens once the update happens, and if people start changing the way they do things afterwards.
Google is going to shoot itself in the foot. It’s up-coming algo changes to put answers to questions at the top of page one and more ads on the page as well as local search results is all well and good but that means less people will visit the natural search engine results below meaning smaller adsense earnings for the site owners and google. If people find the answers straight away and don’t click on the ads on google then there will be less web surfing and less chance of people clicking on adsense later. google make a lot from having there ads all over the net. Google is heavily visited and is often the first port of call to get to other sites. However it’s just one site and if no-one has to surf further then google looses out as do the site owners who earn from adsense, not to mention all the other sites who sells products.
Hope you get what I’m saying
I’m so glad to hear that they have plans in place for this. It’s so common to stumble upon those sites that are clearly “over-optimized”. What I’m looking forward to seeing though is exactly what they’ll be terming excessive or overboard. Where is the line drawn?
The Google Algorithm is a joke and all the changes Google is making will not only destroy the SEO industry and make millions jobless – but it will also make Google Organic search redundant and meaningless.
Here is an example – search for Bedroom Furniture in Google.co.uk
The first site – direct.tesco.com/q/N.1999028/Nr.99.aspx
displays this message
sorry…
We’re not available right now. We’ll be back as soon as we can.
Thank you for visiting Tesco.com
The second site does not have any content – and is PR1 but still ranks second
while my clients site has been penalized – even though it has good content and is PR4
Good Luck Matt Cutts and Amit Singhal – shoot your self in the leg and destroy Google -
Is making money with PPC – the be all and end all of Google????
You are not after displaying quality sites in your searches – you are just after making money with PPC
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I think people are making too much out of this. SEO is not dead. Just blog networks are. Optimizing your site is not a bad thing ever. You will not get penalized for that. What always passes the test of time is create useful if not vital content, then network online by:
- doing guests posts
- commenting on blogs
- releasing press releases
- participating on forums and Q&A sites
- social media networking
- submit to directories (especially niche or local ones)
It’s called work and being involved in building a useful brand, service, product and networking using digital tools. If you do that you will do fine in SEO.
If you catch yourself using things like scrapebox, buying bulk comments, or using blog networks you might find yourself in a lot of pain.
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Hi Vanessa,
Great insight as always. You know I have always hated the ter, “SEO” or “search engine optimization”. It is not about that. It is about trying to provide an answer to a person’s query. I have been very vocal about the use of link popularity as a key piece of measurement as to which content / results should be served up in the SERPs. If the content is great meaning unique, useful to my query and easy to naviigate and peruse, and ultimately answers my question then that is relevant to me. However we all use different semantic maps and what is relevant to me may not be relevant to you. Google has a tough job, and I have been critical of their results since the rollout of Caffeine, but I do think that they are working on providing the most relevant results possible in the quickest manner. Just because you place a relevant keyword in the title or in your page copy or anchor text of a link to a relevant page, you should not be penalized. We are simply trying to create high quality content based in part of keyword relevancy for people looking for our content. I like Google, but I also liked ASK and Yahoo (depending on my needs as a searcher). Remember the audience can only consume so much content. It is the scrapers, link spammers and keyword stuffers that should be penalized (regarldess of brand or size of site). There are a lot of people that truly are trying to create the best content and establish the best website they can. These sites should be what rises to “the top”. Having said that Google is but one channel, leverage other areas and don’t chase the algorithms as Vanessa puts it. I do agree with this, but sometimes to gain visibility the algorithms must be chased. Google’s guidelines should be followed to that extent. Yet at the end of the day, it is the user, the searcher that we come to your website and complete and action or leave and never return. Why not give them what they are looking for in the first place?
Do you think of the extinct of SEO Field?
It isn’t. Ya I do agree that some SEOs are responsible for over optimization, but actually the right responsibility of SEO also comes in reducing the onsite optimization which is already there on the site before the SEO work. The need of SEO professional comes into picture here to maintain the site quality throughout. Also not all site owners have knowledge of what Google is expecting from new sites. (For eg: sitemap, robots file etc.) Some even don’t bother to look into that matter. So at such point SEOs are a must. Google has raise the point of over-optimization and not that SEO is all together a wrong tenchnique. Over optimization is just a flaw in SEO which an expert SEO know how to maintain the balance in optimization of site. Some people term SEO people as online marketers but actually they are responsible in the process for providing a quality product to the market and not just for marketing.There are many important parameters involve in SEO which make it a vast field to study. Actually a SEO should know when to stop a certain activity for certain site. Stopping doesnot means the optimization is over. Many aspects and loop holes should be checked consistently for the whole site. You can term it as a endless process until you are rank Uno.
Keyword stuffing : what exactly is it? Is it highlighting (bold and italic) any time a single keyword or phrase is used , is it too many keywords for a page in your tags, or is it a combination which would also include links from other pages on your site.
Is the navigation links in the footer of your page going to be penalized if you put too many pages there with text links pointing to them.
All this has me a bit confused.
Google guidelines say to link to important pages on your site but as an affiliate marketer I think personally that all my product pages are important – other article pages and such are not as important.
In the footer – Should I only be linking to the top pages in each category on my site or is linking to each product page considered spamming?
If someone can answer this PLEASE visit my contact page and write me a e-mail with your view on this.
Thank you
Vanessa, thank you for going into such details and sharing on the issue. Also, thanks to those who commented with great insights. I just wanted to share that I had a discussion with a potential client the other day where he asked me if my trade, meaning SEO, is going to be dead soon. You can probably imagine my frustration with this. He’d heard something from someone and came to me to bring it to my face. Anyways, we’ve had a chat where we realized that the main reason for such conversations are black-hatters and lack of education for general public. So the lesson for me is that I should offer a short SEO course as on-boarding for every client. This will hopefully minimize conversations like that. Thank you again and looking forward to reading more from you!
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This is really very good news. I hope my sites get some good value this time.
With your last phrase, “creating the best possible content for their audiences”, you’re starting to sound like Google now.
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My problem with Google’s position is that it assumes the search engine can determine a positive user experience through computational math and that the search engine can present fully relevant results without knowledge of many external factors that govern the concept of relevance for the searcher and that cannot be capture in query terms. For data searches and navigation searches (how high is the Eiffel tower, what is the web address for Omniture) this is likely not an issue. For others, it is. Relevance is part of the search need as well as pulling results from the index.
It is great to see google stepping up to this. I see so may sites with high rankings in google that are just stuffed with “blackhat” tactics and poor and irrelevant content to what I am looking for.
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Google harping on about quality content, and yet it ignores so much content…Java, flash, Ajax etc! So much good content is found in technologies like these…So don’t bother with optimising and build a JavaScript hungry website and guess what, Google won’t work out what it is about. So we optimise…bit of a catch 22, if you ask me.
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Stuart,
Google is spending a lot of time trying to better crawl JavaScript, AJAX and the like. They aren’t perfect at it yet, but it’s definitely a focus for them.